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Barack Obama, caving on FISA: 15 electoral votes...

On January 29, 2008, Obama said:

I strongly oppose retroactive immunity in the FISA bill.... No one should get a free pass to violate the basic civil liberties of the American people - not the President of the United States, and not the telecommunications companies that fell in line with his warrantless surveillance program. We have to make clear the lines that cannot be crossed.

In late June of 2008, Obama changed his mind:

The bill legalizes many of the warrantless eavesdropping activities George Bush secretly and illegally ordered in 2001. Those warrantless eavesdropping powers violate core Fourth Amendment protections. And Barack Obama now supports all of it, and will vote it into law. Those are just facts.

(Emphasis in original.)

Barack Obama, caving on the U.S. not being a rogue nation in a league with Saudi Arabia and North Korea when it comes to the death penalty: 23 electoral votes

Asked about today's US Supreme Court ruling that sentencing someone to death for raping a child is unconstitutional, Obama said he disagreed with such a broad ban.

"I have said repeatedly that I think that the death penalty should be applied in very narrow circumstances for the most egregious of crimes. I think that the rape of a small child, 6 or 8 years old, is a heinous crime," he said, adding that if a state determines the death penalty should apply in such cases, they should be allowed to impose it.

(from the Boston Globe)

I guess I was lucky that I was never sexually abused as a child, but what Avedon says:

I do know that I'm glad no one was executed "on my behalf" to satisfy adults who, as usual, would have been more interested in their own outrage than in my needs. That would only have added to the burden.

Yeah, I know, it's an outrage when someone sexually assaults a child. We find it inexplicable - especially when it's their own kid or one they know and have in their care. We have every reason to be offended by it.

But you know what? It didn't ruin my life....

I'll tell you what's pretty horrible and shocking, though: having the authorities asking you a lot of prurient questions because they are so obsessed with "getting the guy that did it" that they completely overlook what it's doing to you. I hated that.

And that's all just leaving aside the fact that sometimes they aren't even guilty.

Barack Obama: spineless.

I can't vote for John McCain come November, but how can I vote for Barack Obama, either?

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17 Comments

Yeah, I hate those two comments/decisions by him as well. But the reality is that there will never be a sort of dream candidate for you or I that would be even remotely viable for the presidency. Or at least, not in our lifetimes. That being said, I've seen a lot more to like with Obama than I have with any other presidential candidate that's run while I've been around, so. He hasn't lost me yet, in spite of these things.
I wouldn't have thought a candidate who would stand by his oath of office (even as a senator) to uphold the Constitution would be considered a "dream" candidate. Silly me.
What is odd is that even as Obama slides towards the center, McCain is diving to the right, so both canidates are moving to the right, but McCain even more so. "McBush" used to be pro-gay marriage, pro-choice, and pro-sensible spending. He's thrown all that over board in the last couple of years. I'm beginning to believe that the "liberal" press, particularly the TV "press", jumps all over anyone who is too liberal, saying that they are weak on defending the country or unpatroitic. This is the same electronic media that gave Bush II a free ride on the Iraq War until it was so obviously a bad idea that a baby could figure it out.
You're just beginning to believe this now?
Obama's pandering is certainly disappointing, but not unexpected. A politician who doesn't engage in some well thought-out cowardice will never get elected. What really disgusts me is seeing how many of his supporters are not only willing to overlook his 'flexibility', but are aggressively upset that anyone would dare question the man. Silly me, I thought that groupthink was one of the great sins of the Bush crowd. It seems liberals are just as eager to worship at the altar of authority.
The thing is, I rarely watch TV news. I stopped watching TV news regularly in college, getting my news from The Atlantic Monthly, Newsweek, and so on. But now I spend the summers with my folks and they watch TV news every morning. The way they softball conservatives and hardball liberals surprised me, despite having read articles about it in print media. It's sort of like how to boil a lobster to death; you slowly simmer it to death, while I stuck my hand back in and found it hot.
I cannot vote for anyone but Barack Obama when to vote for a third-party candidate is essentially to vote for John McCain, and to vote for McCain is to give him the opportunity to appoint the next two (three? four?) Supreme Court Justices.

Barack Obama is not spineless. He is a politician. I know we all managed to forget that during the primary season, when he stirred multitudes with compelling oratory, but the fact remains: his job is to get elected, stay elected, and (hopefully) begin to reverse the effect of the neocons' toxic regime...in that order.
Elina, while I agree with most of your posting, I think the effects of a third party candidate depends upon that candidate. A vote for Nader is probably a vote Barak didn't get, so helps McCain. A vote for someone like Ron Paul or Pat Buchcann (I spelled his name badly, I know) would be a vote away from McCain, so helps Obama.
Barack Obama is not spineless. He is a politician
Ah, now I understand. Politicians don't have to stand up for the Constitution. Thanks for explaining this to me.
MaryAnn, I'm sorry that I've offended you. I've been a reader of your movie reviews for a long time, and so I guess I thought I was qualified to enter into conversation with you. Obviously I was mistaken, as I have only elicited a snark reaction from you. Clearly you know much more about the details of this bill, constitutional law, civil rights, and what's best for our country than Barack Obama - a Senator with access to the entire bill, a former professor of constitutional law, a civil rights attorney, and the Democrats' best hope for ousting the Neocon regime. All apologies.
You don't need to be a constitutional lawyer to know that warrantless eavesdropping is unconstitional. He just voted *for* one of the underpinnings of the neocons's toxic regime. How can you possibly defend that?

Clearly you know much more about the details of this bill, constitutional law, civil rights, and what's best for our country than Barack Obama

Well that's kind of the point, isn't it? Of course Barack Obama knows exactly what he's doing. If he didn't know, then we would be calling him stupid instead of spineless.

Barack Obama is not spineless. He is a politician

Here it is, the failure of democracy in two perfect sentences. Elina, the next time you find yourself making clever jokes about how there's no good politicians anymore I hope you take some time to realize that it's YOUR fault, not theirs.

I think Obama has been swimming against the historical tide, so has to pick his fights. Like most liberal politicians, he has to decide how liberal he can be and still get elected. Sometimes he does an amazing job with convincing speeches that can pull America to the left, but sometimes the tide drags him to the right. As president, he will face the toughest historical tide (I don't mean crisis, but historical trend) any president has faced: the decline of America. For 200 years, presidents have benefited from the rising tide of America. Obama will inherit the ramifications of the Reagan Era; America going the direction of the British Empire. That empire went broke winning wars, and so might we. The contradictions of America are coming to a head. If McCain is elected, things will get worse, because he's promised to run in the direction of decline. If Obama gets elected, he will have to navigate the contradictions and try to find a way out, a much harder job, and the stress of doing that is already showing up in his repositioning on certain issues.
Like most liberal politicians, he has to decide how liberal he can be and still get elected.
So, defending the Constitution -- which is already a requirement of his oath of office as a senator, and will be if he is elected president -- is "too liberal" these days?

So, defending the Constitution -- which is already a requirement of his oath of office as a senator, and will be if he is elected president -- is "too liberal" these days?

Yes.

To borrow from Kevin Smith: Democracy would be great if it weren't for the fucking voters.

By the way, what html tags do you use for quotes, I'm accustomed to using q /q.

Use the "blockquote" command to quote.

If defending the Constitution is no longer an American value, then there is no more America.

Defending the Constitution is not too liberal for me, but "America" has been inconsistent in its application of the Constitution. Many Americans don't like how the Bill of Rights means restricting religion while letting weirdos like us speak as we wish. Some Americans really don't want us to have so many rights when we are arrested or imprisoned. Ask any black, homosexual, or Communist about the history of their fight for Constitutional rights and you can get an earful about times when upholding the Constitution was "too liberal." I do wish Obama would take advantage of the anti-Bush mood in our country to state some unpleasant truths, to revive our rights, and stand up for liberal values. I even think America is more liberal than the conventional wisdom claims (most Americans are pro-choice, pro-gun control, pro-helping people). I think the debate about our country should be reframed in liberal terms instead of conservative ones. The tricky thing is, I believe that most people are, in their evolutionary gut, conservatives. Liberalism, science, and enlightenment values have to be taught to each generation. Thus liberalism is always swimming upstream to make the world better than the jungle. This does not mean liberalism is bad; I just mean it is learned.

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I'm MaryAnn Johanson, writer and editor, and this is my scratch pad, idea-jotter-downer, portfolio and resume, and general hang-out blog.

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