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Geek, dork, or nerd?

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I was waiting on line at the Ziegfeld Theater on West 54th Street for a Sunday afternoon show of Revenge of the Sith, having arrived three hours before showtime in order to save a good spot for my later-arriving pals, and now they had finally turned up. My pal Gail (her site is A Million Things That Bug Me on the "geeks with blogs" roll) was wearing her "geek." t-shirt, I was castigating myself as a dork for having gotten to the theater so early that there were only half a dozen people ahead of me, and we were all wondering what kinds of nerds in costumes were lined up way back where we couldn’t see them.

Which inevitably prompted a discussion about the shades of difference in meaning between "geek" and "dork" and "nerd" -- because there’s nothing geekier than splitting those kinds of hairs. And since everyone uses these words to mean lots of various and often contradictory things, it’s worth my setting down how I’ll use them here, and how I try to use them in everyday conversation.

Geek is entirely positive, as far as I’m concerned. To be a geek is to enjoy a self-awareness of one’s obsessions, but it’s more that, too: it’s to enjoy everything that goes with being a geek. I’m never ashamed of being a geek...

...Except when I am, and then I label myself a dork. There’s self-awareness that goes along with being a dork, but also a bit of embarrassment. At those moments when I haven’t quite fully absorbed the paradigm shift that goes along with celebrating geekiness, and I feel momentarily like a bit of a weirdo, dork does the trick, even if the trick is being mean to myself.

I can never be a nerd, in my glossary, however, because a nerd has absolutely no awareness of his or her nerdiness. If you think you’re a nerd, you are, by my definition, emphatically not one. To be a nerd is to embody all the stereotypically negative attributes of the geek -- poor social skills, pathological obsession with trivia, and so on -- and none of the positive ones, which involve living an examined life and having a lot of intellectual fun while doing it.

So, to use the waiting-on-line for-Star Wars metaphor, I may well have felt like a dork for waiting for three hours for a damn movie I’d already seen twice before, but because I did it for my friends, some of whom were Sith virgins, I can safely consider it nicely geeky. But that guy on line ahead of me, who had the "Imperial March" as the ringtone on his cellphone? He may well have been a nerd. But only if he was using the ringtone unironically.

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I think MaryAnn has the definitions nailed here. I think the key differentiator is *self-consciousness*. Most geeks have at least a touch of dork in them, simply because society isn't built for geeks. Part of geekiness is inherently being an *outsider*, and being an outsider tends to make one feel like a dork. I think the ultimate achievement of "Geek Nirvana" would be to entirely shed one's worldly concerns, such that one totally transcends "cool/uncool," or is at least totally unconcerned with those societal constructs. Trouble is, even geeks have to live in the real world to survive (and to make money to buy geekish *stuff*!) And the real world inevitably tends to bring out the self-consciousness of the dork. (I wonder, are George Lucas and Bill Gates the only certifiable 100% Geeks? So materially successful that they don't have to give a rat's ass what *anybody* thinks of their geekishness - including other geeks?) And "Nerd," I think, is the Dark Side of the Geek Force. I think it's *also* defined by a lack of self-consciousness, but in all the bad ways (paradigmatic example - the Geek will tend to have average to above average personal hygiene; the Nerd will almost invariably have below average.) I'm another Gen X geek (and Flick Filosopher micropatron! Join us!) checking in (though I fear I'm more like 60% dork/40% geek.) Now, a question. Every time I come here, the thought that keeps hitting me is "Gee, this site should be called 'Geek Filosophy,' shouldn't it?" Is this the reaction of a geek, a dork, or a nerd? :)
Oh, a *Simpsons* analogy occurs to me. The Comic Book Guy is a nerd; Professor Frink is a geek.
I've added a fourth category in the past -- weenie. It happened when I was attending a Hewlett-Packard seminar about some kinds of software it turned out we'd never need to use. The presenter made a comment about "process management geeks". It occured to me that geekiness isn't open-ended; you can't be a "process management geek", or an "accounting geek", or anything of that sort. Some fields don't grow geeks; instead they get weenies. So, then, a weenie is someone who thinks of themselves as a geek, but for the wrong reasons. They may or may not also be nerds.
Hi MaryAnn. , hi everyone I think the three definitions are very clear and if I understand well my example can be: Superman is a geek, Clark is a dork and Superboy is the nerd. Another definition comes to my mind: meta-geeks, geeks that love to talk about their geekiness :)
Is being a total Star Wars virgin (and I do mean total, I haven't seen a single second of neither six films, nor do I begin to understand what attracts people to what I think is utter and total dreck) equal to being a contra-geek? In other words, über-cool? No? OK, I never expected you to agree, as you are proud to be geeky and think that proud geek = cool. Which is alright with me. But standing in line for a movie you have already seen twice... I some counsel have, young padawan: A Life You Must Get!
Ralphie-boy, If you are actually proud of having completely missed out on a major American cultural landmark embraced the world over, some perspective you must get. That lightsaber cuts both ways, dunnit?
Hi – you know there is a dark side (sic) to all the labeling we do these days - geek, dork, dufus, wuss, nerd, jock, dude, all might be totally harmless yet while putting people into geeky categories is entertaining–there’s always that danger of closing ones mind to others, no one is as two dimensional as the labels they fall under – plus positive labels are often co-opted from reactionary stereotypes that are way too black or white; I mean labels such ‘ghetto or street’, bad, pimp, homeboy, bitch, wasp, and finally ‘nigger’ all have ugly connotations Having said that – I’d probably place myself to be somewhere in between a nerd and a geek In favour of being a Nerd: Fat Glasses Socially inept – at least with other humans The length of this post In favour of Geek Books ,Computers, Science , Art are way cool By the way, Hi MaryAnn - I 've been reading you reviews for a while now - love your writing! – I hope this new blog is a continuation of the sharp wit, biting discourse and insightful commentary that is liberally sprinkled between your hilarious reviews of such culturally stimulating films as White Chicks and the Longest Yard; but most of all: how you wittly celebrate the pleasures of really great but often overlooked films all of which keeps bringing me back to your site, time and again when I should be working –Hope you keep it up as it is always a pleasure to read a blog by a good writer– to quote from Mark Twain on blogging: “ Only those rare natures that are made of pluck, endurance, devotion to duty for duty’s sake, and invincible determination may hope to venture upon so tremendous an enterprise as the keeping of a journal and not sustain a shameful defeat”
I always have to quote my ex-boss on this one, when I posed him the question: "Would you rather be called a geek or a nerd?" His response: "Oh, definitely a geek. A geek is a nerd, only successful." Henceforth, I never mind being called a geek. ^_^ - James
Isn't that odd? All my definition attempts have been based around the activities by which the dork/nerd/geek operates in, rather than the social perceptions of the subgroups. Geek is for me the catchall terms. We're all geeks here. You're a sci-fi buff? Geek. Role-playing games? Geek. Comic books? Geek. Nerd, by contrast, is a specialized field geek. Whatever that field may be is usually specified by placing it at the front, ergo, "Computer Nerd", "Band Nerd", "Roleplaying Nerd", "Comics Nerd", etc. Dork I'm not sure about. On one hand I think it represents the stupidity that results from severe geekdom, similar to your explanation. On the other hand, the one that reads all the Dork Tower, dork is a synonym for "Roleplaying Nerd", but I'm willing to accept that definition is far too narrow. So by my reckoning, all nerds are geeks, and all dorks are geeks, but not all nerds are dorks, and not all geeks are dorks, or nerds. Right?
i have a friend who only reads mysteries, and doesn't listen to any music written after 1939... but on those subjects he is amazingly well-versed; he is narrow, but deep. another friend, on the other hand, has wide ranging interests and knows enough about any of them to discuss them with an expert for an hour, then move on; she is wide but shallow. narrow/deep = nerd wide/shallow = geek
Wow, you should win the Nobel Peace Prize for the study of geekdorknerdery. I absolutely love your classifications. So the guy who proudly loves Star Wars and chats about AT-ATs and Ewoks = geek The same guy who just realized that he's pushing the geek envlope just a little bit into the red (i.e. he knows all the bounty hunter's names and races) just became = dork And the guy who memorized the entire Star Wars encyclopedia without actively realizing how geeky such an activity is = nerd Am I close? And what's a dweeb then? ;) Proud Movie Geek, -scott
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